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Sayako gishuund Alan Watts geed hunyi Karesansuigaar hyisen buhel buten sudalgaanyi tuhai yu ch gesen olj unshaarai gej zuvolmoor baina. Karesansuid zen baihkuu bol ter Karesansui bish gej gesen utga aguulgatai. Er ni Karesansuig ilerhyileld uul, us, zuraachyin medremj uneheer nulootei bugood ene medremj unooh "zen"ees l urgan garch baij saya jinhene Karesansui boldog gej baihshig baisan. Er ni karesansui shig style ih olon baidag. Gol ni setgelgeenyi helbereeree yalgagddag. Jishee ni Orosyin Aivazovskyi. Tuunyi surguudyig ta sanaj baigaa baih. Er ni Repinyi surguulyin hed heden zuraachyig bi medeh yum baina. Za yamar ch baisan tanyig Karesansuigaas yag zeng medreed uzuul setgel bolood urlagyin asar ih taashaal avah baihaa gej naidaj baina.

Santoka gej Ogiwaragyin shavi unooh Santoka munuu. Amidralyihaa turshid 84000 haiku bichsen hun gej duulsan yum baina, unooh hyatadyin uran bicheech Chiu tsuuromoo behyin ungotei boltol bichisen gedegshig.

Sayako sany huvid Mongol heleer uneheer sain yarih yumaa. Haana sursan be? Yapon hunyi huvid Mongol helyig surahad yu ni ih amarhan baisan be? Er ni ta Mongol hel surch baigaagyih Mongoloos yamar zohiolchid durtai ve?


Za, tegvel Alan Watts-iin nomiig tegj baigaad olj unshij uznee.
Harin bi Oros helend ih taaruuhan. Deer ued jaahan sursan bolovch nom unshij chadahgui :(
Santouka Ogiwara-giin shavi mon. Olon haiku bichisen hun mon.
Bi mgl heliig yapond sursan. Mongol hel Yapon heltei oguulberiin butetsiin huvid adilhan bolohoor surahad amar yum baina lee. Harin anh ugnuudiig surahad ih hetsuu baisan. :(
Gehdee bi odoo ch ooriigoo her zovoor bichij yarij baigaagaa medehgui yum :-D Durem murem sain suraagui bolohoor ... Er ni manai surguulid hereglej baisan surah bichiguud tiim sain bish baisan daa.
"Tungalag tamir" nadad taalagdsan. Zohioliin butets ni ih sonirholtoi yum baina. Kino uzej baigaa yum shig sanagdsan.
Yaruu nairgiin dotroos, Lhagvasuren, Hulan, Buyanzaya geh zergiin yaruu nairagchidiin zohioluudaas unshij baisan. "Tamgagui tor" bas zugeer sanagdsan shuu. Urianhai guain shulgiin nom nadaa baigaa. Harin ugnuud ni hetsuu sanagdaad hoishoo tavichihsan baigaa. Ta tailbarlaj ogno uu.

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Humuus yaagaad ooriin bichlegee ustgaad baigaa ve? 8O
Odor Blood Code-sanii bichisen zuild odoo hariu bichih getel alga bolchij. :eek:
Nostalgia-san ch...
Nostalgia-san, Oe Kenzaburo guain zohioliin tuhai asuuj baisan biluu? Herev mgl helend ulam sain bolbol neg orchuulj uzeh yumsan gej boddog doo. Harin hezee sain boloh yum bol :?
Oe guain essaynuud nad ih taalagdsan. Uugan huu ni nyalh baihdaa ovchtei bolood jaahan oyunii homsdoltoi taldaa. Gehdee ter huu bagadaa hogjimiin pyanziig olon sonsoj, togoldor h**r surch ehelsenees hoish hogjimiin aviyastai bolood ooroo hogjim zohiodog bolson gesen. Nadaa CD ni baigaa. Uneheer hoorhon hoorhon hogjim zohiodog yum bilee. Ter uugan huugiin humuujih yavts bolon ger buliinhee alhamuudiig bichisen 回復する家族(iim nertei baisan baih) gesen nomond bi mash durtai.
Blood Code-san, ta anh yamar haiku bichisen yum be?

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Orchuulbal ih goyol yum baina. Gehdee orchuulga gedeg zuil ih hezuu yumshig baigaan. Nur ih hudolmor shaarddag. Taa ayagui bol duulsan baih, manai Mongol orchuulguud ih sain gej. Husuul ene siteruu orood uzeerei. Driezer, Hemingway, Scott...Chehov naryin gigantuudyin hed heden dajgui orchuulga baigaa. Orood uzeerei. http://mglclub.com/data/choloot/zohiol. ... 94bb547b59


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Yer ni Yapon hvnd buu halmaar baigaagaa yaj ilerhiildeg yum be?


Ogloonii mend!
その言葉を訳すのなら、Nostalgiaさんのようになると思うけど。行動に移すのであれば、「お茶しない?」とかって言ってみれば? そこからはじめてみたら?:razz: :D

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Orchuulbal ih goyol yum baina. Gehdee orchuulga gedeg zuil ih hezuu yumshig baigaan. Nur ih hudolmor shaarddag. Taa ayagui bol duulsan baih, manai Mongol orchuulguud ih sain gej. Husuul ene siteruu orood uzeerei. Driezer, Hemingway, Scott...Chehov naryin gigantuudyin hed heden dajgui orchuulga baigaa. Orood uzeerei. http://mglclub.com/data/choloot/zohiol. ... 94bb547b59

URL ogsond bayarlalaa.
Urid ni halit harj baisan web yum baina. Daanch mgliin zohioluud baigaagui bolohoor sain taniltsaagui.
Damdinsuren guain nuuts tovchoo shineer hevlegdsen baigaa yum baina.
Orchuulga gevel, Nodnin Mongold doloo honog yavj baisan ued manai bagshiin beleglesen Damdinsuren guain nomon dotor orosiin yaruu nairgiig herhen orchuulah tuhai oguulleg baij baisan sanagdaj baina. Onoo oroi gertee dahij unshij uzye.
Uran zohioliig orchuulna gej er ni hetsuu ajil dee. そろそろそういう勉強もしないといけないと思うけど...。
Humuus ee, nadaa mgl hel zaaj ogooch! :-D

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Bolnoo.
Neg daalgavar ogyo :D

ふるさとの訛(なまり)なつかし
停車場の人ごみの中に
そを聴きにゆく

Ishikawa Takuboku-giin tanka.
Nadaa bas daalgavar ogooch!

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Liar wrote:
Bi unshij chaddagguishdee. :dn:

Hiragana-g bas unshij chadahgui yu?
Zaa, tegvel latinaar bichye.
ふるさとの訛(なまり)なつかし (Furusato no namari natsukashi)
停車場の人ごみの中に (Teishaba no hitogomi no naka ni)
そを聴きにゆく (so wo kiki ni yuku)

19 dugeer zuunii suulch ueiin hunii zohiol bolohoor ug helleg ni orchin uyeiinhees jaahan yalgaatai. Gehdee ug ni goyo tanka shuu.
Odoo bidnii heldeg Natsukashii end natsukashi bolson baigaa.
Teishaba bolohoor eki gesen ug.
Orchin ueiin sore bolohoor so gej bichideg baisan. Yuku=Iku.
Ishikawa Takuboku Iwate mujiin hun baisan. Suraltsahaar Tokyo-d amidarch baisan yum daa. Terhuu ued nutgaa ih sanadag baisan, nutgiinhaa ayalguug sonsoh gej zoriud Ueno eki-d yavdag baisan gesen. Tegeed ch Ueno eki-d nutag nutgaas irsen humuuseer duuren baisan bolohoor. Medeej Iwate mujaas olon hun irj yavj baisan. Tiim bolohoor nutgiinhaa ayalguug sonsoh geed ochidog baisan gene lee. Ene tanka-giin eronhii sanaa neg iimerhuu. :)

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mmm.maa sonna kanji kanaa. chotto chigau youna kimo suru kedo...
Tokyo-giin amidral tuund hetsuu sanagddag baisan gesen. Tiimees ch nutgiin ayalguugaa sonsmoor sanagdaad yavdag baisan yum baih.
Naad angli helnii orchuulga-d setsunai kimochi haitte naiyou na kiga surun dakedo... za, ene ch yaahav, minii english ch tiim sain bish bolohoor sain medehgui bainaa.

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Liar wrote:
Bi yapond uurd amidrah sanaatai. Za ter ch yahaw.

Uuniig mongol ruu guiwuulya.


Chihnii chimeg bolson nutgiin mine ayalguu...

Suuliin mor yu gesen ug be?
Mahchlan orchuulbal, "Tuuniig sonsoh gej yavna" gesen ug dee. Orchin ueiin hellegeer bol "Sore wo kikini iku" yum.

Chihnii chimeg bolson... mmm natsukashii gej er ni mongoloor yu gej orchuulah yum bol... Nutgaa sanah tuunii setgeliig yutai zuirleh bilee dee...Damdinsurengiin "Buural eej" shig ch yum uuu...
Demo maa ii kanaa, muzukashii neee, honyakutte. :(
Za, ta urgeljluulen orchuulna uu.

Delguur heseed Haiku bolon Tanka-giin nom olj irlee. Tegj baigaad end orson haiku bolon tankanuudaas taniltsuulya. Tanka-giin talaar 俵万智『短歌をよむ』岩波新書 ni zugeer sanagdlaa. Tanka-giin tuhai taniltsuulsan nom yum. 大岡信『新折々のうた7』岩波新書 ch zugeer yum. Harin hel sain medehgui hund bol neleen hetsuu bolov uu?? Oooka guai Asahi sonin deer barag odor bur tanka bolon haiku-g taniltsuulj baigaa(odort neg haiku buyu tanka). Tedgeeriig emhetgesen nom yum. Orchin ueiinh ch deer ueiinh ch baigaa. Nostalgia(Blood Code?) gishuund sonirholtoi baij magad.

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Ugaasaa Mongolchuud Haikug yag Yapon hun shig oilgoj barina gedeg bol hezuu. Mundag ih hugazaa oroh boluu gej boddyin, yaahav haikug bas neg Yapon bunkagyin salshgui heseg yumdaa gedeg utgaar ni zailshgui todorhoi oilgolttoi boloh heregtei. Shuudal uran zohiolyin onolyin nom yumuu, aldartai haikug tuuzen antalogy eder unshaad ehelheer neg ih amjiltad hurkuul boluu gej bodoj baina. Er ni gadaad humuust zoriulsan haikunyi hyalbarshuulsan nomoos ehelbel deer baih. Minyi huvid deer halit Kokubungaku bolon Chugoku kyokoku gedeg hicheeluudyin dalimaar haikunyi tuhai baga zereg uzeed, sonirholtoi sanagdahaar ni internet bolon nomyin sangaas heden yum unshsan. neg yimerhuu.


Haiku bolon Tanka-g changa duugaar(koe ni dashite) unshij uzsen uu?
そしたら少しわかるかもよ :)
Haiku, Tanka, Waka edgeeriig zohiohiig yaponchuud つくる、書く gej helehgui shdee. Yomu gedeg. Harin nogoo nom unshihiin yomu(読む) bish 詠む yum. Ene hanziig hanznii tolior uztel 感動した心を声に出す(setgel hodolsonoo aviagaar ilerhiileh??) gesen utgatai yum bilee. Bi ch Haiku, Tanka-g changa duugaar unshihaar utga iluu tod boloh shig sanagddag yum.

試してみてね!

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Chihend mine honogshson nutgiinhaa ayalguug
Chih tawin sonsoh gej galt teregnii zogsool dahi humuus luu yarnam :D

bas l sonin bn uu?

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Anh unshisan ued neg l bolohgui shig sanagdsan. Harin hed heden udaa unshij baihaar bolj baigaa yum shig sanagdaad irlee...
Busad humuus herhen orchuulah bol?

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Sayakosantai joohon uur sedveer yarilzamaar baina. Jishee ni Takamori geed neg hunyi tuhai. Ta ayagui bol " Naze ikiru" geed nomyig ni unshsan baih, minyi huvid bol Shinranshonin samagyin neremjit ter lektsyih ni tanhimd hurtel ochij yaridag zuilyig ni sonsoj baisan. Ter hunyi yarij baigaa yumnuudad goyo goyo zuil uchnoon baisan. Yalanguya Oshakasama(Buddha), Shinranshonin, Rennyoshonin naryin Buddhyin shashing tailbaralsanyig ni humuust hurgej, mash naryin utagachalan helj ugch baisan. Gehdee uuryigoo bi burhan bolzon, bi uheshgui munhyin hutgyig olchiloo, ta naryig bas orig "burhan" bolhod chine tusaluul tusly, gol ni nadad itge, itgehkuu bol zovj l baihkuu yu... eder gehyin bailee. Shavi nar eder gej asar olon hunuus, asar undor peristigetei. Gol ni mundag gun gunzgyi suseg bishreltei. Takamori bagshdaa urgoj baigaa tangarag eder ni bol minyi urid umno taaraldaj yavsanuudaas hamgyin olon nuhzoltei ni baisan baih. Ta er ni Yapon hunyi huvid Takamori Sensein talaar talaar yu gej bodoj baina, Yaponchuudyin dund yamarhuu bair suuritai hun be?


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E, Takamori-san? Shiranakattari mo suru :oops: Hazukashiii
Shinran, Rennyo gevel Itsuki Hiroyuki bas edgeer humuusiin tuhai bichij baisan sanagdaj baina.

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Itsuki Hiroyuki gej duulaaguim baina, henyin?

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Zohiolch hun dee. Tuunii bichisen "Ikiru hinto"-giin ehnii boti nadad zugeer sanagdsan.

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suuliin ued japan oyutnuudiin amia horlolt ers buursan gej duulsiiin baina neeree.naze ikeru gedgiig haraad neg nom sanaand orchihloo. 池田 大作 gedeg bagsh bichsen tsuvral nom halit harj bsan yum baina. 青春対話 gesen nom bsan. yahav harj baihad joohon uram ugumuurch nom yumuu gej bodson. sonirhood uzehgui yu. :angel:


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NHK-n home page-g uzej bsan chini haikugiin talaar doloo honog bur yavuuldag nevtruuleg baidag yum baina. sonirhood orj uzsen chini ungursun buh nevtruulegt ashiglagdsan haiku ed naraa bicheed tavichihsan baina. http://www.nhk.or.jp/haiku/index.htm ene linkeer orood uzeerei.


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いいなぁ、ロシア語できて :)
私、全然上手くならなかったわ :(

石川啄木の短歌をもう一つ

何となく、
自分を嘘のかたまりの如く思ひて、
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suuliin ued japan oyutnuudiin amia horlolt ers buursan gej duulsiiin baina neeree.naze ikeru gedgiig haraad neg nom sanaand orchihloo. 池田 大作 gedeg bagsh bichsen tsuvral nom halit harj bsan yum baina. 青春対話 gesen nom bsan. yahav harj baihad joohon uram ugumuurch nom yumuu gej bodson. sonirhood uzehgui yu. :angel:


池田 大作 bidnii Imageer bol shashnii hun ch, manai mgl bagshiin imageer bol zohiolch hun yum bilee....

Rennyo ch Shinran ch Kamakuragiin ued buddiin shashnii shine ursgaliig bii bolgoson ulsuud daa.

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Hoyor jiliin omno useg hagas dutuu suraad haichihsan Solongos heliig ergeed uzee suudag bolson. :D Odoo gants hoyor oguulber bichij chaddag bolj baina. たまには、こういうきっかけもいいもんだねぇ。Er ni Solongos hel minii bagaasaa sonsoj baisan Ibaraki-bentei accent ni tostei yum shig ee :oh:

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Blood Code-san ta yaponii orchin ueiin yaruu nairguudiig her sonirhoj baigaa ve?
Tanikawa Shuntaro, Osada Hiroshi, Ibaragi Noriko-giin yaruu nairguud nad ih taalagddag. :)

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tegj baigaad Yapon helendee buur lag bolj baigaad l unshij taashaal avyi gej boddog. odoohondoo arail boloogui baina. yalanguya yapon bunka manaihaas ih uur bolhoor yaruu nairag geh metyin torgon medremj shaardsan zuilyig er ni l unshaad sain oilgoj mederkuul baina. yavaandaa medrene bizdee, medrene bizdee ch gej medreh yostoi.

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Sayako san-ii talaar deer ued sonsoj baisiin bna!!!! 8O Heliig ingej surah yumsan... :eek: uneheer baharhaj bna shuu!

Blood code(Nostalgia etc... ) chi shooo, ;) bichleguud chini uneheer taalagdlaa.... yum meddeg hun arai l oor yuma!!! :)

Bi yapon helend uchirgui durtai bailaa... hehe tegsen huvi tavilangaar hyatadad dan hanz uzeheer bolchihloodoo... :borgsmile:

Tehdee hezee negen tsagt konnichiva geel yavjiina daa... promise :)

Yer ni ene asian helnuudiig yaj turgen tolgoi tarhindaa oruuliidaa baiz... jpnese, korean, chinese ....

PS: haiku gej yu gesen utgatai ug ve???

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Sain baina uu, Bujeek?
Haiku=Yaponii yaruu nairgiin neg torol helber yum 5-7-5 aviagaar butdeg yum.
Jishee ni:
Fu ru i ke ya
Ka wa zu to bi ko mu
Mi zu no o to
geh met.
Blood Code-d: Osada Hiroshi-giin yaruu nairguud haritsangui amarhan. Unshij uzeerei.

P.S. 12/20-22 Seoul ruu yavaad irnee. :)

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Seoulees butsaj irlee. Yavahaas omno bichisen yaruu nairgiig jaahan erthen ch ustgasan. Heregtei baival PM ruu medegdeerei.
Seould humuustei yaponoor ch yum uu, angliar oilgoltsoj chadah baih gej itgeed yavtal bas l helgui baival maaash hetsuu yum bilee. Harin tegj solongos naiztaa heltei "Chi yaponoor muuhan yarisan yum biz. Tiim bolohoor humuus chamaig oilgoogui yum biz" gej ineegeed baisan :crysad: Minii solongos naiz sonin hun yum shuu neeree. 8O
Haashaa harsan ch dan hangul usgeer bichisen baidag. Angliar bichisen gazar hovor yum bilee. Tend ochood yapon bolon solongost amidarch baigaa helgui mglchuudiin zovlong saya medersen. Tehdee bidnii huvid hangul usgiig sain ajiglaad baival hoyor helnii zarim ugs(yalanguya hyatadaas garaltai ugs) oiroltsoo bolohoor mglchuudaas arai amar baij magad. Zasvar hiij baigaa gazart "an jon che il" gej bicheestei baival "aan, an zen dai ichi" geed baigaa yum uu gej tosoolj boloh yum. Harin ugaasaa tolgoid tiim ug baihguisen bol bur hetsuu baih daa. Hoorhii...

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